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	<title>Comments on: Self-Experimenters: Self-Styled Cyborg</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2008/03/17/self-experimenters-self-styled-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-17764</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 07:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, it&#039;ll be the people at the edge of the body mod movement, already.   The people willing do do radical procedures for fetishists and the extreme edge of the body mod scene.

Strange how the medical system that sees self-experimentation or basic body mods as &quot;mutilation&quot; will in the forseable future future have created a riskier medical environment.  Availability of Docs/Doks will not stop people who have the itch.

Just like there are underground Ibogaine clinics, there will be underground surgeons.  With very mixed results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, it&#8217;ll be the people at the edge of the body mod movement, already.   The people willing do do radical procedures for fetishists and the extreme edge of the body mod scene.</p>
<p>Strange how the medical system that sees self-experimentation or basic body mods as &#8220;mutilation&#8221; will in the forseable future future have created a riskier medical environment.  Availability of Docs/Doks will not stop people who have the itch.</p>
<p>Just like there are underground Ibogaine clinics, there will be underground surgeons.  With very mixed results.</p>
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		<title>By: inVivo</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2008/03/17/self-experimenters-self-styled-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-3326</link>
		<dc:creator>inVivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those doktors are afraid, I found one underground clinic in Antwerp, and we wanted to fire a simpler device into my nerve, but he died last year. I am now both looking and learning...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those doktors are afraid, I found one underground clinic in Antwerp, and we wanted to fire a simpler device into my nerve, but he died last year. I am now both looking and learning&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: grinding.be &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Kevin Warwick&#8217;s LIFT08 presentation</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2008/03/17/self-experimenters-self-styled-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-2528</link>
		<dc:creator>grinding.be &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Kevin Warwick&#8217;s LIFT08 presentation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 02:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Self-Experimenters: Self-Styled Cyborg [...]</description>
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		<title>By: m1k3y</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2008/03/17/self-experimenters-self-styled-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-2476</link>
		<dc:creator>m1k3y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect I&#039;ll be someone like &lt;a href=&quot;http://grinding.be/2008/03/20/steve-haworth-modern-body-modification-pioneer/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Steve Haworth&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect I&#8217;ll be someone like <a href="http://grinding.be/2008/03/20/steve-haworth-modern-body-modification-pioneer/" rel="nofollow">Steve Haworth</a></p>
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		<title>By: Spiraltwist</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2008/03/17/self-experimenters-self-styled-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-2186</link>
		<dc:creator>Spiraltwist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I missed that one. My apologies. 

&lt;i&gt;it’s the lack of willing Doctors that will give rise to the Doktors?&lt;/i&gt;

And that&#039;s exactly the point of the post, m1k3y. Another thought for you: where does he go to find a Doktor? How does he even contact one? I don&#039;t see anyone advertising directly, for concern over the powers-that-be interfering. (Unless it&#039;s something only a Grinder would pick up on.) 

In the future, I&#039;m going want my damn implants! How do I find someone to install them?!?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I missed that one. My apologies. </p>
<p><i>it’s the lack of willing Doctors that will give rise to the Doktors?</i></p>
<p>And that&#8217;s exactly the point of the post, m1k3y. Another thought for you: where does he go to find a Doktor? How does he even contact one? I don&#8217;t see anyone advertising directly, for concern over the powers-that-be interfering. (Unless it&#8217;s something only a Grinder would pick up on.) </p>
<p>In the future, I&#8217;m going want my damn implants! How do I find someone to install them?!?!?</p>
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		<title>By: m1k3y</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2008/03/17/self-experimenters-self-styled-cyborg/comment-page-1/#comment-2185</link>
		<dc:creator>m1k3y</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and Kevin Warwick was featured &lt;a href=&quot;http://grinding.be/2008/01/14/towards-a-society-of-cyborgs/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; too..

it&#039;s the lack of willing &lt;em&gt;Doctors&lt;/em&gt; that will give rise to the &lt;strong&gt;Doktors&lt;/strong&gt; ..  no ethics board bs for them!  just the body as canvas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and Kevin Warwick was featured <a href="http://grinding.be/2008/01/14/towards-a-society-of-cyborgs/" rel="nofollow">here</a> too..</p>
<p>it&#8217;s the lack of willing <em>Doctors</em> that will give rise to the <strong>Doktors</strong> ..  no ethics board bs for them!  just the body as canvas</p>
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