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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2008/07/09/building-the-black-iron-future/comment-page-1/#comment-9067</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 06:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John I&#039;m always interested in navigating that line (if such a thing exists) between privacy and the panopticon in this post-privacy world.  I used to be a hardcore crypto-geek and extreme privacy guy... then I worked for the above-mentioned information company for years and I realized that trying to embrace that sort of life was kind of like trying to close the barn door after the barn had been nuked from orbit.

The cameras *are* on us, it&#039;s only a question of how we&#039;re going to navigate and where (if at all) they will stop.

@GAPS  I&#039;ll make my next post extra-cheerful, just for you.    Honest, it&#039;s going to be optimistic out the yin yang.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John I&#8217;m always interested in navigating that line (if such a thing exists) between privacy and the panopticon in this post-privacy world.  I used to be a hardcore crypto-geek and extreme privacy guy&#8230; then I worked for the above-mentioned information company for years and I realized that trying to embrace that sort of life was kind of like trying to close the barn door after the barn had been nuked from orbit.</p>
<p>The cameras *are* on us, it&#8217;s only a question of how we&#8217;re going to navigate and where (if at all) they will stop.</p>
<p>@GAPS  I&#8217;ll make my next post extra-cheerful, just for you.    Honest, it&#8217;s going to be optimistic out the yin yang.</p>
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		<title>By: GAPS</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2008/07/09/building-the-black-iron-future/comment-page-1/#comment-9064</link>
		<dc:creator>GAPS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wahey, optimistic day this has been! I just finished up an audiobook of 1984 here at work, and now I read this! Lovely!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wahey, optimistic day this has been! I just finished up an audiobook of 1984 here at work, and now I read this! Lovely!</p>
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		<title>By: John Feeney</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2008/07/09/building-the-black-iron-future/comment-page-1/#comment-9044</link>
		<dc:creator>John Feeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 16:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are only seeing the tip of where this technology and the &quot;players&quot; can take us.  No-one has yet open their eyes or thought patterns to where this digital network could lead us, an I&#039;m talk the positive side of things.  Privacy - you gave that up when you used the credit card.

You have to admire the Western companies that use China as their test bed and freely experiment with new advances.  Hopefully, somewhere along the line these same corporations can reveal a better use and value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are only seeing the tip of where this technology and the &#8220;players&#8221; can take us.  No-one has yet open their eyes or thought patterns to where this digital network could lead us, an I&#8217;m talk the positive side of things.  Privacy &#8211; you gave that up when you used the credit card.</p>
<p>You have to admire the Western companies that use China as their test bed and freely experiment with new advances.  Hopefully, somewhere along the line these same corporations can reveal a better use and value.</p>
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		<title>By: Not So Deep Thoughts &#187; Screw Global Warming!</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2008/07/09/building-the-black-iron-future/comment-page-1/#comment-9035</link>
		<dc:creator>Not So Deep Thoughts &#187; Screw Global Warming!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] article comes from today&#8217;s post &#8216;Building the Black Iron Future&#8217;, by Kevin, a response to the recent passing of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 and Naomi&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] article comes from today&#8217;s post &#8216;Building the Black Iron Future&#8217;, by Kevin, a response to the recent passing of the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 and Naomi&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LBA</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2008/07/09/building-the-black-iron-future/comment-page-1/#comment-9034</link>
		<dc:creator>LBA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, do not welcome our new corporate overlords

Excellent link filled rant, there needs to be more of them. 

In the interest of full disclosure, I&#039;m borrowing heavily from this blog/rant 

http://www.xtcian.com/arch/002772.php

Corporations, no matter how they were started, no matter how simple and sweet their mission statements may be (i.e. &quot;Don&#039;t Be Evil&quot;) are treated as people, and these &quot;people&quot; are sociopaths. They may have legal rights and personhood, but they are completely bereft of human emotions, experiences and, well, humanity. They exist only to do one thing, make a profit. They don&#039;t care how they do it (see link filled rant from Kevin) they don&#039;t care who or what they chew up, they only care about 1 thing, profit. If that means catering to the &quot;freedom&quot; crowd here in the USA and then the authoritarian government in China, then they have no problems, as long as they are growing their profits and meeting quarterly expectations. 

Look at the common features of sociopaths, and you see that it pretty much has the modern corporation nailed.
http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

Instead of having &quot;Shallow Emotions&quot; corporations have the advantage of no emotions. They don&#039;t care how many people they lay off, how many fa, they don&#039;t care if their practices are destroying wide swaths of land, keeping an entire nation under the thumb of a dictator or anything, as long as their profits grow. 

I hope I&#039;m not taking this too far off track, and I am very much a capitalist, but corporations act this way, will always act this way and we be prepared for this whether we work for one or just have to live along side them.

and by the way, I loved the link filled rant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, do not welcome our new corporate overlords</p>
<p>Excellent link filled rant, there needs to be more of them. </p>
<p>In the interest of full disclosure, I&#8217;m borrowing heavily from this blog/rant </p>
<p><a href="http://www.xtcian.com/arch/002772.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.xtcian.com/arch/002772.php</a></p>
<p>Corporations, no matter how they were started, no matter how simple and sweet their mission statements may be (i.e. &#8220;Don&#8217;t Be Evil&#8221;) are treated as people, and these &#8220;people&#8221; are sociopaths. They may have legal rights and personhood, but they are completely bereft of human emotions, experiences and, well, humanity. They exist only to do one thing, make a profit. They don&#8217;t care how they do it (see link filled rant from Kevin) they don&#8217;t care who or what they chew up, they only care about 1 thing, profit. If that means catering to the &#8220;freedom&#8221; crowd here in the USA and then the authoritarian government in China, then they have no problems, as long as they are growing their profits and meeting quarterly expectations. </p>
<p>Look at the common features of sociopaths, and you see that it pretty much has the modern corporation nailed.<br />
<a href="http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html</a></p>
<p>Instead of having &#8220;Shallow Emotions&#8221; corporations have the advantage of no emotions. They don&#8217;t care how many people they lay off, how many fa, they don&#8217;t care if their practices are destroying wide swaths of land, keeping an entire nation under the thumb of a dictator or anything, as long as their profits grow. </p>
<p>I hope I&#8217;m not taking this too far off track, and I am very much a capitalist, but corporations act this way, will always act this way and we be prepared for this whether we work for one or just have to live along side them.</p>
<p>and by the way, I loved the link filled rant.</p>
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		<title>By: rick</title>
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		<dc:creator>rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid that things are in motion of which the US populace is blissfully unaware, and it may well be too late.  On the other hand, I don&#039;t believe privacy ever really existed for most people.  If you grew in a small village in Germany, or a small town in Alabama, and you wanted to know what you were doing - you simply asked your neighbor.  When the industrial revolution had millions of people leave the farm and move to cities, they didn&#039;t have privacy, they had anonymity:  No one cared about them.  I think in the end, that is the best that we can hope for; that the idiots-in-charge will be so overwhelmed with data, and so busy spying on each other, that the rest of us will retain our anonymity to the organizations doing this.

If someone knows I like X brand of beer, and that I buy it every Friday night at this Kroger&#039;s, they also know that info about 300 million other people, then they really don&#039;t know anything about me in particular - I&#039;m just a number with associated data and an algorithm that sends me coupons.

&quot;At least, that’s what I tell myself at night.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid that things are in motion of which the US populace is blissfully unaware, and it may well be too late.  On the other hand, I don&#8217;t believe privacy ever really existed for most people.  If you grew in a small village in Germany, or a small town in Alabama, and you wanted to know what you were doing &#8211; you simply asked your neighbor.  When the industrial revolution had millions of people leave the farm and move to cities, they didn&#8217;t have privacy, they had anonymity:  No one cared about them.  I think in the end, that is the best that we can hope for; that the idiots-in-charge will be so overwhelmed with data, and so busy spying on each other, that the rest of us will retain our anonymity to the organizations doing this.</p>
<p>If someone knows I like X brand of beer, and that I buy it every Friday night at this Kroger&#8217;s, they also know that info about 300 million other people, then they really don&#8217;t know anything about me in particular &#8211; I&#8217;m just a number with associated data and an algorithm that sends me coupons.</p>
<p>&#8220;At least, that’s what I tell myself at night.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Damien</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2008/07/09/building-the-black-iron-future/comment-page-1/#comment-9032</link>
		<dc:creator>Damien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 13:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really have to wonder what the hell happened, these last two weeks.

Do you ever think that, just maybe, someone, somewhere, has a giant machine that they can use to change small, important things, when no one&#039;s looking?

Or even when they are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really have to wonder what the hell happened, these last two weeks.</p>
<p>Do you ever think that, just maybe, someone, somewhere, has a giant machine that they can use to change small, important things, when no one&#8217;s looking?</p>
<p>Or even when they are?</p>
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