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	<title>Comments on: Cambodia: Dinosaur images noticed in temple ruin</title>
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		<title>By: Chris Doring</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2009/04/09/cambodia-dinosaur-images-noticed-in-temple-ruin/comment-page-1/#comment-24995</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Doring</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:35:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am by no means any kind of authority, but the harder I look at this photo, the more it looks like a Rhino to me. I think the &quot;Back Spines&quot; or &quot;Fins&quot; or whatever that makes it look like a Stegosaurus are something else. Like maybe the artist didn&#039;t finish carving out those sections. Very cool photo tho, none the less. What happened to the Khmer Civilization? 800-1400... 600 hundred years? Not too bad, as these things are measured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am by no means any kind of authority, but the harder I look at this photo, the more it looks like a Rhino to me. I think the &#8220;Back Spines&#8221; or &#8220;Fins&#8221; or whatever that makes it look like a Stegosaurus are something else. Like maybe the artist didn&#8217;t finish carving out those sections. Very cool photo tho, none the less. What happened to the Khmer Civilization? 800-1400&#8230; 600 hundred years? Not too bad, as these things are measured.</p>
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		<title>By: bairdduvessa</title>
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		<dc:creator>bairdduvessa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>regardless of what it is supposed to represent, it is still a cool photo showing artistic representation of a long lost people.  If it is real that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>regardless of what it is supposed to represent, it is still a cool photo showing artistic representation of a long lost people.  If it is real that is.</p>
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		<title>By: CNoble</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2009/04/09/cambodia-dinosaur-images-noticed-in-temple-ruin/comment-page-1/#comment-24881</link>
		<dc:creator>CNoble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Haupt:
Hey, no, I&#039;m just glad I wasn&#039;t the only one at the party.</description>
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Hey, no, I&#8217;m just glad I wasn&#8217;t the only one at the party.</p>
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		<title>By: Haupt</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2009/04/09/cambodia-dinosaur-images-noticed-in-temple-ruin/comment-page-1/#comment-24877</link>
		<dc:creator>Haupt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Fleshcross: It&#039;s highly unlikely that the Khmer people would have found a Stegosaurus fossil for several reasons.

1) There are no stegosaurs known from that area of Asia. That doesn&#039;t make it impossible, simply less likely.

2) Even the article being cited points out that this is a jungle temple. Jungles tend to not have any fossils. They are very wet (which is erosive). They have high levels of bioturbation from scavengers and ridiculous plant root structures that are regularly disrupting soil sedimentation.

3) Even if they did find a fossil it would not likely have been recognizable as a stegosaurus.http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Stenops.jpg This is an image of a stenops (same group as stegosaurus) as it was found after it had been carefully excavated by expert paleontologists. As you can see, it&#039;s very disarticulated and even modern scientists argue of the particulars of its reassembly.

Occam&#039;s Razor relies on the introduction of the fewest new variables which in this case would seem to mean it was a rhino or pulled from human imagination/mythology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Fleshcross: It&#8217;s highly unlikely that the Khmer people would have found a Stegosaurus fossil for several reasons.</p>
<p>1) There are no stegosaurs known from that area of Asia. That doesn&#8217;t make it impossible, simply less likely.</p>
<p>2) Even the article being cited points out that this is a jungle temple. Jungles tend to not have any fossils. They are very wet (which is erosive). They have high levels of bioturbation from scavengers and ridiculous plant root structures that are regularly disrupting soil sedimentation.</p>
<p>3) Even if they did find a fossil it would not likely have been recognizable as a stegosaurus.<a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Stenops.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Stenops.jpg</a> This is an image of a stenops (same group as stegosaurus) as it was found after it had been carefully excavated by expert paleontologists. As you can see, it&#8217;s very disarticulated and even modern scientists argue of the particulars of its reassembly.</p>
<p>Occam&#8217;s Razor relies on the introduction of the fewest new variables which in this case would seem to mean it was a rhino or pulled from human imagination/mythology.</p>
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		<title>By: Haupt</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2009/04/09/cambodia-dinosaur-images-noticed-in-temple-ruin/comment-page-1/#comment-24874</link>
		<dc:creator>Haupt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 00:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@CNolbe: Great link. Should have read that before I posted myself. Apologies if I stepped on your dino (more likely a rhino) toes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@CNolbe: Great link. Should have read that before I posted myself. Apologies if I stepped on your dino (more likely a rhino) toes.</p>
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		<title>By: Haupt</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2009/04/09/cambodia-dinosaur-images-noticed-in-temple-ruin/comment-page-1/#comment-24872</link>
		<dc:creator>Haupt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 00:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ready for a logic-based smackdown? Here goes... 

The head is much too large in proportion to the rest of the body to be consistent with any members of the family Stegosauridae. The fact that this photo was taken at an angle is somewhat perplexing as it seems to needlessly obscure details of the head region. 

One of the most interesting things about this group of dinosaurs was that their hind legs were much longer than their front legs. The robust humerus and shoulder blade probably served as sites for powerful muscle attachment that indicate a semi-sprawling posture in the front. However, their hind legs were very long and pillar-like which along with other features seem to indicate an upright hind-limb stance. This carving appears to show the opposite. 

And while I&#039;m amazed I even have to point this out, Stegosaurus, and other members of that group of dinosaurs, had giant spikes on the end of their tails. That was what made them so cool! Even the primitive members have some form of spike going on. 

Lastly, the Stegosaur group was already in decline by the Cretaceous, coincident with the rise angiosperms (flowering plants) as well as the rise of new types of herbivorous dinosaurs. This group clearly peaked during the Late Jurassic and maybe didn&#039;t even survive until the K/T boundary where the other then extant dinos bought it. The Late Jurassic was 159-144 million years ago, while the extinction of the dinosaurs was 65 million years ago. That&#039;s 65,000,000 years compared to the 800-1400 years this civilization was round just for some perspective. 

Explaining their survival even up to the extinction event itself is difficult so it seems preposterous to conclude that they could have survived through the event with a sustainable breeding population to get through, among many other obstacles, the Ice Age that ensued to then be seen and carved by humans in relatively modern times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ready for a logic-based smackdown? Here goes&#8230; </p>
<p>The head is much too large in proportion to the rest of the body to be consistent with any members of the family Stegosauridae. The fact that this photo was taken at an angle is somewhat perplexing as it seems to needlessly obscure details of the head region. </p>
<p>One of the most interesting things about this group of dinosaurs was that their hind legs were much longer than their front legs. The robust humerus and shoulder blade probably served as sites for powerful muscle attachment that indicate a semi-sprawling posture in the front. However, their hind legs were very long and pillar-like which along with other features seem to indicate an upright hind-limb stance. This carving appears to show the opposite. </p>
<p>And while I&#8217;m amazed I even have to point this out, Stegosaurus, and other members of that group of dinosaurs, had giant spikes on the end of their tails. That was what made them so cool! Even the primitive members have some form of spike going on. </p>
<p>Lastly, the Stegosaur group was already in decline by the Cretaceous, coincident with the rise angiosperms (flowering plants) as well as the rise of new types of herbivorous dinosaurs. This group clearly peaked during the Late Jurassic and maybe didn&#8217;t even survive until the K/T boundary where the other then extant dinos bought it. The Late Jurassic was 159-144 million years ago, while the extinction of the dinosaurs was 65 million years ago. That&#8217;s 65,000,000 years compared to the 800-1400 years this civilization was round just for some perspective. </p>
<p>Explaining their survival even up to the extinction event itself is difficult so it seems preposterous to conclude that they could have survived through the event with a sustainable breeding population to get through, among many other obstacles, the Ice Age that ensued to then be seen and carved by humans in relatively modern times.</p>
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		<title>By: Broken Finger</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2009/04/09/cambodia-dinosaur-images-noticed-in-temple-ruin/comment-page-1/#comment-24856</link>
		<dc:creator>Broken Finger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These temple carvings might be an indication that Creationists are on to something, after all.  Is there any way to make sure they don&#039;t see these?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These temple carvings might be an indication that Creationists are on to something, after all.  Is there any way to make sure they don&#8217;t see these?</p>
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		<title>By: fleshcross</title>
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		<dc:creator>fleshcross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:20:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, heaven forbid, the locals actually managed to dig up a stegasaurus fossil. Occam&#039;s Razor?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, heaven forbid, the locals actually managed to dig up a stegasaurus fossil. Occam&#8217;s Razor?</p>
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		<title>By: Sparky Santos</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2009/04/09/cambodia-dinosaur-images-noticed-in-temple-ruin/comment-page-1/#comment-24816</link>
		<dc:creator>Sparky Santos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:45:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monitor lizard with a frill? A salamander lizard? Nothing in the image indicate scale of the beast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monitor lizard with a frill? A salamander lizard? Nothing in the image indicate scale of the beast.</p>
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		<title>By: CNoble</title>
		<link>http://grinding.be/2009/04/09/cambodia-dinosaur-images-noticed-in-temple-ruin/comment-page-1/#comment-24800</link>
		<dc:creator>CNoble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 02:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://fishheadsalad.com/tossing/steg/steg.htm

Most likely, it&#039;s a rhino.</description>
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<p>Most likely, it&#8217;s a rhino.</p>
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